Revisiting Sister Lúcia’s 1957 Interview

For the remainder of this year, in order to honor the Centenary of Fatima, we hope, Deo volente, to focus more fully on the Message itself and the response of the Vatican. Our goal, as always, is to affirm the true message of Fatima in the face of the constant and nearly overwhelming obstructions and obfuscations of the ancient enemy which seeks everywhere to wage war against the Immaculate Virgin and her Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, the true  and eternal ruler of the world. This post, which is already familiar to most readers, is included to help form a basis for following posts.

Today, we provide the text of the well-known, (but not as well-understood) interview which Sister Lúcia granted to Father Augustin Fuentes the day after Christmas, 1957. Our source is Volume III of Frère Michel de la Sainte Trinité’s The Whole Truth About Fatima. it is the source of most of the other articles on the subject, although Tradition in Action has a translation done by the polymath Mr. Atila Guimaraes which is excellent. It may be found here: link.  My comments in red follow  the quotes from Frère Michel.

Sister Lúcia’s 1957 interview with Father Augustin Fuentes

Father Augustin Fuentes was a Mexican priest, the vice-postulator of the causes for beatification of Francisco and Jacinta,  and simultaneously postulator for the causes of the Mexican martyrs under the Masonic persecution of Elias Calles (1924-1928).  In effect, he had the privilege of speaking at length with the Fatima seer on December 26, 1957. He had already met Sister  Lúcia on August 10, 1955. After his return to Mexico, on May 22, 1958, he gave a conference to the mother-house of the Missionary Sisters of the Sacred Heart and Our Lady of Guadalupe. During this conference he reported Sister Lucy’s words. The account of this conference was published, Father Alonso stresses, ‘with every guarantee of authenticity and with due episcopal approval, including that of the Bishop of Leiria.’ Father Fuentes made it clear that this was a message received ‘from the very lips of the principal seer.’ Here are the excerpts of the original Spanish text quoted by Father Alonso: [Note: Fr. Alonso was the official Archivist of Fatima.]

Father Fuentes’ introduction: “I wish only to tell you about the last conversation which I had with Sister Lucy on the 26th of December last year. I met her in her convent. She was very sad, very pale and emaciated. She said to me:

“Father, the Most Holy Virgin is very sad because no one has paid any attention to Her message, neither the good nor the bad. The good continue on their way but without giving any importance to Her Message. The bad, not seeing the punishment of God actually falling upon them, continue their life of sin without even caring about the message. But believe me, Father, God will chastise the world and this will be in a terrible manner. The punishment from Heaven is imminent.

Father, how much time is there before 1960 arrives? It will be very sad for everyone, not one person will rejoice at all if beforehand the world does not pray and do penance. I am not able to give any other details because it is still a secret. According to the will of the Most Holy Virgin, only the Holy Father and the Bishop of Fatima are permitted to know the secret, but they have chosen to not know it so that they would not be influenced. This is the third part of the Message of Our Lady which will remain secret until 1960.  [The “punishment from Heaven” so “sad for everyone”  was the refusal by Pope John XXIII to obey Our Lady of Fatima’s clearly stated wishes to reveal her secret in 1960.]

“Tell them Father, that many times, the Most Holy Virgin told my cousins Francisco and Jacinta, as well as myself, that many nations will disappear from the face of the earth. She said that Russia will be the instrument of chastisement chosen by Heaven to punish the whole world if we do not beforehand obtain the conversion of that poor nation… [This refers to both the second portion, that is, the material chastisement and the third portion, the spiritual chastisement. Thus, the spiritual devastation of nations along with the actual material disappearance of entire nations.]

Father, the devil is in the mood for engaging in a decisive battle against the Blessed Virgin. And the devil knows what it is that most offends God and which in a short space of time will gain for him the greatest number of souls. Thus the devil does everything to overcome souls consecrated to God, because in this way the devil will succeed in leaving the souls of the faithful abandoned by their leaders, thereby the more easily will he seize them.

That which afflicts the Immaculate Heart of Mary and the Heart of Jesus is the fall of religious and priestly souls. The devil knows that religious and priests who fall away from their beautiful vocation drag numerous souls to hell… The devil wishes to take possession of consecrated souls. He tries to corrupt them in order to lull to sleep the souls of laypeople and thereby lead them to final impenitence. He employs all tricks, even going so far as to suggest the delay of entrance into religious life. Resulting from this is the sterility of the interior life, and among the laypeople, coldness (lack of enthusiasm) regarding the subject of renouncing pleasures and the total dedication of themselves to God.

Tell them also Father, that my cousins Francisco and Jacinta sacrificed themselves because in all the apparitions of the Most Holy Virgin, they always saw Her very sad. She never smiled at us. This sadness, this anguish which we noted in Her penetrated our souls. This sadness is caused by the offenses against God and the punishments which menace sinners. And so, we children did not know what to think except to invent various means of praying and making sacrifices. (…) The other thing which sanctified these children was to see the vision of hell. [The vision of Hell, and the Devotion to the Immaculate heart to save them, is the first portion of the secret.]

Father, that is why my mission is not to indicate to the world the material punishments which are certain to come if the world does not pray and do penance beforehand. No! My mission is to indicate to everyone the imminent danger we are in of losing our souls for all eternity if we remain obstinate in sin.   [Again, she focuses on the spiritual chastisement which is the true and primary gist of the Message of Fatima. It is typical of the secular mindset prevalent today that so many overlook this. We must maintain our focus on our eternal souls. Yes, the material chastisement is proceeding apace, because the requirements of the second portion of Our Lady’s Secret were never fulfilled, as we have stated often in these pages. But even more serious dangers face us in the eternal damnation of millions of souls, entire nations of souls damned forever due to false mercy and the utter prostitution of the true Faith.]

Father, we should not wait for an appeal to the world to come from Rome on the part of the Holy Father, to do penance. Nor should we wait for the call to penance to come from our bishops in our diocese, nor from the religious congregations. No! Our Lord has already very often used these means and the world has not paid attention. That is why now, it is necessary for each one of us to begin to reform himself spiritually. Each person must not only save his own soul but also all the souls that God has placed on our path…

The devil does all in his power to distract us and to take away from us the love for prayer; we shall be saved together or we shall be damned together.

Father, the Most Holy Virgin did not tell me that we are in the last times of the world but She made me understand this for three reasons.

The first reason is because She told me that the devil is in the mood for engaging in a decisive battle against the Virgin. And a decisive battle is the final battle where one side will be victorious and the other side will suffer defeat. Hence from now on we must choose sides. Either we are for God or we are for the devil. There is no other possibility.

The second reason is because She said to my cousins as well as to myself that God is giving two last remedies to the world. These are the Holy Rosary and Devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. These are the last two remedies which signify that there will be no others.

The third reason is because, in the plans of Divine Providence, God always, before He is about to chastise the world, exhausts all other remedies. Now, when He sees that the world pays no attention whatsoever, then, as we say in our imperfect manner of speaking, He offers us with a certain trepidation the last means of salvation, His Most Holy Mother. It is with a certain trepidation because if you despise and repulse this ultimate means we will not have any more forgiveness from Heaven because we will have committed a sin which the Gospel calls the sin against the Holy Spirit. This sin consists of openly rejecting, with full knowledge and consent, the salvation which He offers. Let us remember that Jesus Christ is a very good Son and that He does not permit that we offend and despise His Most Holy Mother. We have recorded through many centuries of Church history the obvious testimony which demonstrates, by the terrible chastisements which have befallen those who have attacked the honour of His Most Holy Mother, how Our Lord Jesus Christ has always defended the honour of His Mother. [Please note this especially! And consider the evil blasphemy against the Virgin of Fatima by Pope Francis. Remarks which have not so far been corrected by any other prelate.]

Look, Father, the Most Holy Virgin in these last times in which we live has given a new efficacy to the recitation of the Rosary to such an extent that there is no problem, no matter how difficult it is, whether temporal or, above all, spiritual, in the personal life of each one of us, of our families, of the families of the world, or of the religious communities, or even of the life of peoples and nations that cannot be solved by the Rosary. There is no problem I tell you, no matter how difficult it is, that we cannot resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary. With the Holy Rosary, we will save ourselves. We will sanctify ourselves. We will console Our Lord and obtain the salvation of many souls.

Finally, devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, Our Most Holy Mother, consists in considering Her as the seat of mercy, of goodness and of pardon, and as the certain door by which we are to enter Heaven.

Frère Michel de la Sainte Trinité: “In December of 1957, even before the death of Pius XII, Our Lady’s messenger already foresaw the grave crisis the Church would have to face. ”

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The faith of many has grown cold. And many are the imposters, who seek to capitalize on the message of Fatima for their own aggrandizement.  They see others “getting away with it” and think, “Why not? Who’s to stop me?” And as always with those duped by the Father of Lies, they are partially right. Yet we know that even though there may be no one to stop them in this life, there will be, quite literally, hell to pay in the next life. We must pray for them.

Readers, please keep in mind through all that is soon to come, there is yet a fourth portion to Our Lady of the Rosary’s Great Secret and we must keep it foremost in our thoughts so as not to be disheartened in the darkness and confusion.  This essential fourth part is of course,   her magnificent triumph. Our Lord will show His true mercy for all to see: the triumphant renewal of the Faith through the Immaculate Heart of Mary. The reign of the Sacred Heart of Jesus Christ, King  will be ushered in by devotion to the Immaculata. And we are her children! Apostles of her Immaculate Heart! And so, we hold fast to her through the means she has graciously given to us, her Rosary and her brown Scapular of Mount Carmel, that our faith may not fail.

  Immaculate Heart of Mary, Queen of our hearts, Mother of the Church, do thou offer to the Eternal Father the Precious Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ, for the conversion of poor sinners, especially our Pontiff.

  Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, Thy Kingdom come, Viva Cristo Rey!

  St. Joseph, guardian of the Holy Family, protect our families, protect our priests!

  St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle.

~ by evensong for love of the Immaculate Heart of Mary and the Sacred Heart of Jesus Christ, King.
Vouchsafe that I may praise thee, O Sacred Virgin! Give me strength against thine enemies!

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